Runoffs

They can seal the motor in FP impound and tear it down after GTL. Which will mean that the FP results will have to stay provisional until after GTL.

-Kyle
 
The live timing format is great. Does anybody else find it surprising,that at least for the prod cars, time through Section 1 is as good a predictor of lap time as trap speed?
 
I noticed that the fast time per section in purple at the top of the columns does not always agree with the fast time per section in purple behind drivers name. (Unless it has been corrected)

RJS
 
Tom Feller":2j88v0cm said:
With that said, if these Touring classes can continue to exist with such small participation, then why can't we have a 4th prod class for cars like the Yaris/CRX/VWs?
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It's called GP. I guarantee if it was reinstated, we'd have more than 5 cars at the Runoffs.
 
Tom Feller":10cddxng said:
To me (watching numbers on the internet), it looks like the FP Midget is about right for Daytona. It's slower on the straights and making up time in the corners. A guy like Joe, with top level prep and driving, should be near the front of the field. It's been appropriately adjusted for high speed tracks.

In HP, the LP British cars wouldn't stand a chance (even if more than one showed up). After all, the Yaris/CRX are running faster speeds than Huffaker's full prep 1275. Why would anyone think a LP 1275 (or Spit 1296) could be anywhere near that? I'd expect to be 10 mph off the pace. Hard to make up the difference even if I can carve corners. Brannon's Fiat seems like a decent representative for how fast an LP Brit car can be. The bottom line is that a Yaris/CRX does not race well with a roadster because they don't handle as well and have GOBS more power.

With that said, if these Touring classes can continue to exist with such small participation, then why can't we have a 4th prod class for cars like the Yaris/CRX/VWs? Why is Prod always threatened with extinction when Touring is allowed to under-perform? Add a 4th class, make tasteful changes to Prod (wings, brakes, smart engine swaps), and see what happens.

An "original" H car hasn't won the Runoffs since 2008, and that was before the current HP leader cars were even close to developed. Why do we want to race old roadsters? Because they are cheap, look cool, and are fun to drive (rwd dynamics, low CG).

Wishing I was there, but not in my Spit. Good luck to those racing!
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The Yaris has a slower trap speed than the CRX and VW, its getting it done in the infield. Who would have that as tall as it is its a handling car.
 
In any case it's fun watching the Prods and GTLs on the infield. Our paddock HQ is on turn 5 and we get a great view. The night qual for SM looked more like a full blown race. We watched it from the Prod party. Good fun.

Bob
 
The Yaris has a slower trap speed than the CRX and VW, its getting it done in the infield. Who would have that as tall as it is its a handling car.
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Cool, the new car looks good. Have fun.
 
Planning on coming back out next year Tom? Would be awesome to have more LBC's running up front again!
 
Looks like Kevin Ruck and Gary Baucom found speed this morning:

Kevin Ruck - 2:11.009
Gary Baucom - 2:12.022
Joe Huffaker - 2:12.274
Eric Prill - 2:12.574
Charlie Campbell - 2:13.610
 
RonInSD":1psmdzaq said:
Looks like Kevin Ruck and Gary Baucom found speed this morning:

Kevin Ruck - 2:11.009
Gary Baucom - 2:12.022
Joe Huffaker - 2:12.274
Eric Prill - 2:12.574
Charlie Campbell - 2:13.610
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Word elsewhere on the web from Kevin is that he changed his set-up back to his typical set up. A lot of people realizing there is more speed in the infield than there is to be found in low rolling resistance on the banking...

Eric Prill and John Heinrecy talk about this on the Day 1 broadcast.

Looking at S1 times seems to be a good predictor of how fast the lap is going to be. As seen in the prod ranks by Joe Huffaker and Jason Isley.
 
WOW, that one Fast Fiat 124! Anyone at Daytona that could shoot some Photos of Gary's car? There are only and handful of us that still run this car.
 
Will the F prod qualifying grid remain provisional until J. Huffaker completes GTL quals...sorta like the race results.?

BTW, good luck to all of you.

We are hoping for some of that rain in NJ but hope it stays away from you guys.

Regards
Tom Burdge
 
Based on the history and my personal experience spectating "back in the day" I am imagining that is a very seriously prepared and driven Fiat.
 
Congratulations to Kevin for a great lap. Knew it was a matter of time before you got down to the low 12s, but an 11.0 is really cooking.

Baucom's car is a rocket, especially out of corners. I can't come close to staying in his draft from 6 to the bus stop.

The whole week of qualifying I never really caught a decent draft when I had a good infield lap. Monday, Tuesday and Today's quick laps were all by myself. Of course, it's going to be pack racing come Saturday. Should be fun!
 
The Baucoms are about 50 yards from where we are paddocked. They went through replacing the center main bearing, dirt in the #4 carb and a couple small glitches to finish on the front row for their race. Hope they do well because they sure worked for it.

Bob
 
Tom Feller":3mr9n088 said:
To me (watching numbers on the internet), it looks like the FP Midget is about right for Daytona. It's slower on the straights and making up time in the corners. A guy like Joe, with top level prep and driving, should be near the front of the field. It's been appropriately adjusted for high speed tracks.

In HP, the LP British cars wouldn't stand a chance (even if more than one showed up). After all, the Yaris/CRX are running faster speeds than Huffaker's full prep 1275. Why would anyone think a LP 1275 (or Spit 1296) could be anywhere near that? I'd expect to be 10 mph off the pace. Hard to make up the difference even if I can carve corners. Brannon's Fiat seems like a decent representative for how fast an LP Brit car can be. The bottom line is that a Yaris/CRX does not race well with a roadster because they don't handle as well and have GOBS more power.

With that said, if these Touring classes can continue to exist with such small participation, then why can't we have a 4th prod class for cars like the Yaris/CRX/VWs? Why is Prod always threatened with extinction when Touring is allowed to under-perform? Add a 4th class, make tasteful changes to Prod (wings, brakes, smart engine swaps), and see what happens.

An "original" H car hasn't won the Runoffs since 2008, and that was before the current HP leader cars were even close to developed. Why do we want to race old roadsters? Because they are cheap, look cool, and are fun to drive (rwd dynamics, low CG).

Wishing I was there, but not in my Spit. Good luck to those racing!
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Well said Tom :applause:
 
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