Runoff Entries

509 entries shown now. 537 last year (from earlier in this thread).

New format's impact? I'd say zip.
 
ennored":2qogtqzq said:
509 entries shown now. 537 last year (from earlier in this thread).

New format's impact? I'd say zip.
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My smiling face wouldn't be here without the schedule change.
 
Dave nice to meet you. Yes the transmission is settling back in the car very nicely :)

Jerry I was backwards in every turn this morning (on the track walk)

Hoping to meet more folks. Met Jay Griffin this morning super nice guy.
 
blamkin86":3jeohahq said:
ennored":3jeohahq said:
509 entries shown now. 537 last year (from earlier in this thread).

New format's impact? I'd say zip.
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My smiling face wouldn't be here without the schedule change.
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Bill,
I am curious what about this years schedule was so enticing? You stated in an earlier thread you were doing the Monday test day so I assume you travelled on the weekend. Other than the EP race being Saturday and giving you Sunday to travel what did this schedule save you?
Just asking, Im curious.

2011 EP Schedule-------------2012 EP Schedule
Sat Test Day-----------------Test Day
Sun Test Day-----------------Test Day
Mon 1:30---------------------Test Day
Tues 4:10--------------------No session
Wed 8:00---------------------12:00 and 4:35
Thur 10:40--------------------3:05
Friday No session------------No session
Sat No Session---------------12:35 race
Sun 1:30 Race----------------No Session
 
Probably a little fewer cars than that when you consider double entries. Not denying they took the green but how often does a SSB Mustang enter a STO race? Looked like someone was really encouraging double entries to give the appearance of larger fields. So 10 ten cars started the STO race even though only 3 of them were real STO cars. In a bit of irony a SSB Mustang ended up on the podium in 3rd after the Viper broke.
 
racingspridget":25ezoyn3 said:
Probably a little fewer cars than that when you consider double entries. Not denying they took the green but how often does a SSB Mustang enter a STO race? Looked like someone was really encouraging double entries to give the appearance of larger fields. So 10 ten cars started the STO race even though only 3 of them were real STO cars. In a bit of irony a SSB Mustang ended up on the podium in 3rd after the Viper broke.
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The podium Mustang was actually a T3 car, older V8 powered Mustang. There were five "real" (I hope real by your standards) STO cars entered, Porsche, Viper, 2 Corvettes and the BMW. One Vette died in practice and did not qual or race. I am surprised more T1 guys did not double dip STO for the tow money.
 
Jason, You are correct. 5 STO cars entered, 4 started the race, and 2 finished. I'm not picky about definitions but a SSB, or T3 car with STO added over the normal letters doesn't meet my standard.
 
racingspridget":1ikcg5j6 said:
Not denying they took the green but how often does a SSB Mustang enter a STO race? Looked like someone was really encouraging double entries to give the appearance of larger fields. So 10 ten cars started the STO race even though only 3 of them were real STO cars.
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Maybe a more logical reason for spec line eligible cars entering (but not capable of making the podium) the Runoffs races is that their supporting other racers so that 10 cars are entered to make the class eligible for a National Champion. :think:

Smell test, taste test, your test, my test, it would be a spec line test.
 
David Dewhurst":f4wdyi7v said:
racingspridget":f4wdyi7v said:
Not denying they took the green but how often does a SSB Mustang enter a STO race? Looked like someone was really encouraging double entries to give the appearance of larger fields. So 10 ten cars started the STO race even though only 3 of them were real STO cars.
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Maybe a more logical reason for spec line eligible cars entering (but not capable of making the podium) the Runoffs races is that their supporting other racers so that 10 cars are entered to make the class eligible for a National Champion. :think:

Smell test, taste test, your test, my test, it would be a spec line test.
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As the owner of the STO cars in question, I can tell you that they were a mix of SSB, T3, and T2 cars.
Why would we do it? Hmmm, how about we got paid by SCCA to practice all week before our actual weekend started. Good enough reason?

Not to mention, the extra payola for finishing on the podium because as it turns out, STO is much like Prod in that a 13 lap race is an enduro, apparently. :D
 
Finish in the top 3 in any class and collect a check... from the west coast collect 2 or 3 checks per driver and it adds up fast
 
Okay, the engineer in my can't resist this one.

The four national entry fees needed to qualify offset the tow fund? Really?

At $300 per national each you'd need $1200 in tow fund money to break even. I got $330 last year to tow from Philadelphia (900 miles one way). So you'd have to tow 3243 miles one way to break even. Do you live in Hawaii?

I can understand double dipping for the seat time. But not for cost offset.

-Kyle
 
Actually, the 4 entries only cost 250 dollars. In our region you can add an extra class for 100-125 dollars to a double nat entry. Some of my drivers ran 3 classes. We are so poorly subscribed out here that finishing in the top 3 is easy.

As an example, the Seattle race cost me 5000 in expenses to run 5 drivers in multiple classes but we took in 12K worth of contingencies.

The Runoffs entries are 500 each but bring back anywhere from 750-1500 per entry in tow funds. Plus free track time.
 
keithdeg":gab2b0jd said:
how about we got paid by SCCA to practice all week before our actual weekend started. Good enough reason?
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:shock:
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I've been doing this since the 90s. A good example is an FP Miata. It can also qualify in EP. I could easily finish in the top 3 out on the west coast in both classes. Extra track time at the Runoffs is never a bad thing.
 
I may have to dust off the Honda after all. Especially if it rains. Just to do it and for no other reason. ;-)

Cancel that thought, I can only run FP or HP and not GT3 and GTL. That darn fuel cell rule nixes that thought. Two classes isn't worth it.

James.
 
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