David Dewhurst
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disquek said:
Kyle, we agree on this ^ 100%. :mrgreen:
Revised Point Structure for 2013 Majors, National Races
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Kyle, we agree on this ^ 100%. :mrgreen:
R. J. Sorensen
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Kyle wrote;
"Does anyone REALLY think that club racing will ever pull any significant number of spectators? Meaning real spectators. Not racers cousins, or people shopping for a race car. Real, just came to watch for the fun of watching spectators?"
They came to Atlanta. Camped out in the infield. Lined the fences every session.
What changed?
RJS
"Does anyone REALLY think that club racing will ever pull any significant number of spectators? Meaning real spectators. Not racers cousins, or people shopping for a race car. Real, just came to watch for the fun of watching spectators?"
They came to Atlanta. Camped out in the infield. Lined the fences every session.
What changed?
RJS
Angelo f. Vacchio
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Been a spectator for 30 plus years .Iallways try to bring new people to watch the racing.MARRS Labor Day brought 1 new one she loved the races.Sprman : /
Think about this guys, three Majors in each division, six in each conference. In the Northern conference GL and Cendiv, if you live in the eastern part of the conference you WILL be towing much further than before to earn an invite to the big 50th runoffs show.
No out of conference races count at present. For me that means three tows of 3.5 hrs, 6.75 hrs and 5 hrs. I have the option of transfering to Nediv and hope they race closer to the western borders but I have my doubts they will.
I e-mailed Butch regarding counting an out of conference race so lets hope we can at least count one.
Of course next year we will have a different path but not this year.
In GL div the races are Mid-Oh, Michigan Interntl. speedway and Gingerman. With cendiv at Blackhawk and Road America.
Unintended situation I am sure but has the chance to eleminate a few National racers from the mix this year.
Bryan Floyd
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Via email from Butch all Majors will count toward runoffs regardless of conference.
No out of conference races count at present. For me that means three tows of 3.5 hrs, 6.75 hrs and 5 hrs. I have the option of transfering to Nediv and hope they race closer to the western borders but I have my doubts they will.
I e-mailed Butch regarding counting an out of conference race so lets hope we can at least count one.
Of course next year we will have a different path but not this year.
In GL div the races are Mid-Oh, Michigan Interntl. speedway and Gingerman. With cendiv at Blackhawk and Road America.
Unintended situation I am sure but has the chance to eleminate a few National racers from the mix this year.
Bryan Floyd
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Via email from Butch all Majors will count toward runoffs regardless of conference.
Apropos Ron Bartell's comments regarding the 'regional route to the runoffs' - One thing remains completely opaque, which is what the regional route to the runoffs consists of. We'll have to wait and see on that.
As a regional racer, I would point out to Ron that not all areas are as weak as the northeast in prod racing, that our local MARRS and the neighboring SARRC series have some pretty high quality and intense competition in the prod classes. That defense being made, let me rush to add that I have no interest in going to the runoffs. I am happy where I am, with relatively short tows and relatively low expenses. If I wanted the aggro, I would run Nationals. So while some regional racers might want to end up as field-filling fodder at the runoffs, I know that I and likely many of my prod buds in MARRS am happy where I am. Which leads one to think that the club's proposal for a regional route to the runoffs will likely fall flat, except perhaps for a restricted number of folks.
As a regional racer, I would point out to Ron that not all areas are as weak as the northeast in prod racing, that our local MARRS and the neighboring SARRC series have some pretty high quality and intense competition in the prod classes. That defense being made, let me rush to add that I have no interest in going to the runoffs. I am happy where I am, with relatively short tows and relatively low expenses. If I wanted the aggro, I would run Nationals. So while some regional racers might want to end up as field-filling fodder at the runoffs, I know that I and likely many of my prod buds in MARRS am happy where I am. Which leads one to think that the club's proposal for a regional route to the runoffs will likely fall flat, except perhaps for a restricted number of folks.
No reaction to the supps for the first Eastern Conference Majors race I posted above?
My interpretation is that this is a very normal appearing event. I thought these events were supposed to be "festival like" and somehow different from the past nationals? After all, if they're not different, what are we trying to accomplish?
-Kyle
My interpretation is that this is a very normal appearing event. I thought these events were supposed to be "festival like" and somehow different from the past nationals? After all, if they're not different, what are we trying to accomplish?
-Kyle
As a sometime MARRS competitor, I'll spin Mike Maqueen's comments slightly differently. I'll agree that there are in fact a few strong pockets of regional Prod competition in the US. For the last few years MARRS has seen HP (to use the class that Mike and I run) fields bigger than the vast majority of Nationals, with good levels of competition. Off the top of my head I think maybe different 5 cars sometimes running within say 3% of the HP lap record - that would be decent for a National I'd say.
Based on that alone, I'd say that MARRS could feed a good number of HP cars into the runoffs field that wouldn't embarrass themselves too much or pose a hazard to others. In fact, if you took the top half of the MARRS HP field (to use an arbitrary cutoff) you'd be applying a more stringent test than "started 4 Nationals" or whatever the Runoffs qualification has been lately.
(None of this is to say that Regionals are better, or that National efforts are not on average superior to Regional efforts)
The writing has been on the wall for a while - the first thing I thought when I heard of a Rational was "there goes the Regional / National split". It's one thing - and perfectly OK - to have a Varsity and a JV team. But when they play on the same field in the same game, it isn't Varsity and JV any more.
Seems to me that Nationals - like it or not - are going away. Being replaced by fewer "Super Nationals" (Majors) and (hopefully) a stronger Regional program. In that scenario, it would seem to make sense to feed the Runoffs from both sides.... One would hope that the Super Nationals (that has a better ring to me than Majors) would be attractive enough to stand on their own and not just as check boxes to meet Runoffs quals..
Speaking only for myself, I'd like to do the Runoffs a few times. Probably as field filler at first, but given my competitive streak I could possibly get serious later....
And honestly, as a father and a small business owner, I'm a lot more likely to do the Runoffs if I don't have to drag my car all over the eastern half of the US for half a year in addition to disappearing for a week for the Runoffs. So I can honestly say that a Regional path would be more likely to attract me.
Based on that alone, I'd say that MARRS could feed a good number of HP cars into the runoffs field that wouldn't embarrass themselves too much or pose a hazard to others. In fact, if you took the top half of the MARRS HP field (to use an arbitrary cutoff) you'd be applying a more stringent test than "started 4 Nationals" or whatever the Runoffs qualification has been lately.
(None of this is to say that Regionals are better, or that National efforts are not on average superior to Regional efforts)
The writing has been on the wall for a while - the first thing I thought when I heard of a Rational was "there goes the Regional / National split". It's one thing - and perfectly OK - to have a Varsity and a JV team. But when they play on the same field in the same game, it isn't Varsity and JV any more.
Seems to me that Nationals - like it or not - are going away. Being replaced by fewer "Super Nationals" (Majors) and (hopefully) a stronger Regional program. In that scenario, it would seem to make sense to feed the Runoffs from both sides.... One would hope that the Super Nationals (that has a better ring to me than Majors) would be attractive enough to stand on their own and not just as check boxes to meet Runoffs quals..
Speaking only for myself, I'd like to do the Runoffs a few times. Probably as field filler at first, but given my competitive streak I could possibly get serious later....
And honestly, as a father and a small business owner, I'm a lot more likely to do the Runoffs if I don't have to drag my car all over the eastern half of the US for half a year in addition to disappearing for a week for the Runoffs. So I can honestly say that a Regional path would be more likely to attract me.
disquek said:
The Logo is different. Its 15 dollars more than last year. 10 min more track time.
I heard they are holding off on the "festival like" KC & the Sunshine Band Concert along with the Stereo "sound off" and "hottest crew" competition until the big kick off in 2014. :lol:
Protech Racing
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Ilooked at it. How many qualifying sessions are there?? Two fri and one each sat and sun.??
Everyone must install trailer hitch and tow a trailer with boat.
All drivers only control the pedals, passenger controls the steering.
Bonus race using reverse only and mirrors (no turning around)
Specials bonus points for best excuse for pass under yellow.
Stop 1/2 way and draw to either invert field, restart as running or by car number.
Grand finale tag team race (must have a EP/FP & HP to run).
And finally, special award for the best whiner. (Selected by fellow competitors)
All drivers only control the pedals, passenger controls the steering.
Bonus race using reverse only and mirrors (no turning around)
Specials bonus points for best excuse for pass under yellow.
Stop 1/2 way and draw to either invert field, restart as running or by car number.
Grand finale tag team race (must have a EP/FP & HP to run).
And finally, special award for the best whiner. (Selected by fellow competitors)
Protech Racing
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Trailer races are at the oval tracks.
Can anyone answer the questions about sessions? I count 4 qualifying sessions.. Is that right?
Can anyone answer the questions about sessions? I count 4 qualifying sessions.. Is that right?
Jay Griffin
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Protech Racing said:
Yes, that's pretty normal for a double event (National anyway). I can't find my copy of last years double from Sebring but I'm pretty sure it's very similar, if not the same amount of qualifying time, as last years.
The two sessions on Friday are the first sessions for each Saturday and Sunday race. The second, shorter sessions are also qualifying. There is a rule (or was) that we should get 45 minutes of practice and/or qualifying for each national race. That has been amended a bit recently for double events from what I remember but for the most part we've still been getting 'enough' qualifying time.
Some regions/tracks split the time into a shorter practice then qualifying session. I'd much rather have all the sessions qualifying...even if I've never been there.