Hp and 2 litre ITB cars

Stiner0931":3dul1c0i said:
chois":3dul1c0i said:
(BTW - despite often hearing how the VW has a "strong motor" it is still not the fastest around RAm - that is the L2 Spit and L1 B210)
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Yea, that 1500 spit is pretty damn quick. Couple that with one of the most successful prod racers out there and it's a lethal combination. The 210 is quick, and no offense to Meller, but if the spit holds together, I see Steve running away with it at Elkhart Lake next month.
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They have both run in the 40s this season, but I tend to agree.
 
Funny numbers on the Volvo 226whp. Bob Griffith ( BHP) used to say they used little tiny horses in California. REAL numbers on a handgrenade B20 (15 to1, etc.) would be a touch over 210 at the crank just before the ports cracked and it became a fire hydrant.
 
The BHP Volvos had cams, compression, the right gears and BA tires . They wont go much faster. They were/are 110% build cars . I believe the valve lift was over .425. They did blow up a lot of stuff.
Easy to keep in check when they have to breathe through the tiny stock throttle body .
The R 7 tires go as fast as the Hoosier slicks , just dont cycle as well. Mike ,(VW) went 2:18( @ WGI)on R7 tires.

Any of the 2litre and under ITB cars should get a spec line in HP . Weight, stock throttle body etc.

The 1.8 cars get 425 lift now , the 1.6 cars get 450 lift.
The 2 litre can use 425 lift and a little weight .
 
Sam, Mike, whoever.... Comment on flywheel numbers got me thinking. I had the right numbers in the wrong place in my notes. Went to the builder to get them sorted out. Engine is a B20, maximum over bore, 226 at the flywheel, 175 at the rear wheels. Total suspension kit and as much weight off as possible. I'd put a picture up here but don't have any luck on this site. If someone would like to see the car send me an e-mail address.

Standing Corrected...

Bob
 
Bob Hess":kfax07mf said:
Sam, Mike, whoever.... Comment on flywheel numbers got me thinking. I had the right numbers in the wrong place in my notes. Went to the builder to get them sorted out. Engine is a B20, maximum over bore, 226 at the flywheel, 175 at the rear wheels. Total suspension kit and as much weight off as possible. I'd put a picture up here but don't have any luck on this site. If someone would like to see the car send me an e-mail address.

Standing Corrected...

Bob
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Thanks Bob! 226 at wheels with same driveline loss as your example would be 292 flywheel which is 2L Cosworth BDG territory. 226 flywheel is impressive enough for a two valve pushrod 2L IMO.
 
Rucks Idea. Now we need to fill in the blanks...
Perfect for a lot of the big engined IT cars.
IT spec plus cam, stock internals .
 
Could work. But L3 should be IT spec period. Maybe at a different weight or something. But I like the idea of doing it without any powertrain or suspension mods.
 
Protech Racing":lusfvn77 said:
Without a cam they dont sound like race cars. Plus 90% of the IT cars I have bought, had cams already.
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Sure, but don't you normally buy FL IT cars. That's kind of a different class from my understanding.
 
Protech Racing":3nb9vipl said:
Rucks Idea. Now we need to fill in the blanks...
Perfect for a lot of the big engined IT cars.
IT spec plus cam, stock internals .
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I must've killed that brain cell, because I have no idea what you're taking about. Probably something I said as a joke somewhere...?

chois":3nb9vipl said:
Protech Racing":3nb9vipl said:
Without a cam they dont sound like race cars. Plus 90% of the IT cars I have bought, had cams already.
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Sure, but don't you normally buy FL IT cars. That's kind of a different class from my understanding.
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Glad I didn't have to make the "well yeah, but that's Florida-IT" comment. :lol:
 
kruck":2nx9b2y5 said:
Glad I didn't have to make the "well yeah, but that's Florida-IT" comment. :lol:
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:lol:

We don't need a "Prep Level 3". We just need to use performance potential for classing vehicles instead of an imaginary boogey-man.

Or revive the "GProd" moniker and move in there anything that's not LBC and newer than Watergate; the rest of the caravan will move on.
 
Greg Amy":vsm8czhr said:
kruck":vsm8czhr said:
Glad I didn't have to make the "well yeah, but that's Florida-IT" comment. :lol:
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:lol:

We don't need a "Prep Level 3". We just need to use performance potential for classing vehicles instead of an imaginary boogey-man.

Or revive the "GProd" moniker and move in there anything that's not LBC and newer than Watergate; the rest of the caravan will move on.
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Gawd, I hate agreeing with Greg! But, AMEN! to bringing back G Prod!
 
Ed Funk":1c5uh0uc said:
Gawd, I hate agreeing with Greg! But, AMEN! to bringing back G Prod!
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I recognize that musta hurt, Ed. You can delete the post if it gives you any probs getting some sleep tonight...
 
What cars would you leave in HP? The 850-950cc cars that have already left?
The L3 was indeed a joke by Kruck but it seems interesting in that it could be a road to including the ITB 2.0 litre cars at a reduced entry cost.
 
L3 for 1.8 and over cars;
Stock intake/TB
Stock internals ,any fasteners
Stock compression plus .5, with any metal pistons
Stock lift cam, any duration and springs, ( or spec the lift for easier tech at 410 ) ?
Stock valve and stem size.
IT port rule.
Adjust weight as needed .

BMW 318I, BMW 320, Volvo 142, Pinto? ,
 
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