Daytona Runoffs- a few technical and driver things to check

Drivers meeting?? Since when have we ever had one of those at the Runoffs?

My issue is the first time you can get track fuel is Sunday morning. Doesn't help those of us that want to test before that.
 
Jay... Only time the no apron rule is in effect is on starts. After that it's open all around the oval. As for starts, soon as you cross the start line it's all yours. Glad to see you guys make it all the way through the weekend. Now do it in September!

Bob
 
At the double SARRC last week, the winning FV did not ever go onto the banking. He ran the apron the entire race other than for the start. All the other FV's ran the banking. He was convinced it was the fastest way around. Appears he was right. He told me he ran the banking the year before and got beat by several cars who were there this year. Not sure what the top speed of FV would be compared to HP.

The track does use the jet blower at lunch and at the end of the day to clean off the track and apron. Bet it would be interesting to have a metal detector and search the areas off the apron.
 
I am curious.
What are the 5 longest straights on U.S. road courses, including the rovals?
And, how long are they?

I think Daytona, Road America ( does that include the carousel? ), possibly Road Atlanta, maybe TWS, Homestead, the current Indy layout. VIR has 2 long straights. I don't have the distance for any of them.
Daytona has 3 long straights, exiting the east horse shoe, before and after the bus stop.
 
I would think the old Brainerd has to be near the top of that list...
5200 feet long (and 60 feet wide!) leading into a 11 degree banked turn 1.
Basically almost 1.5 miles flat out.
 
Pocono was pretty wild when they only ran the road course bypassing T3. So basically most of the front straight, NASCAR 1, the back straight, and T2 (tunnel turn). That had to be one of the longest WOT runs on any SCCA course. Easily more straight than any of the permanent road courses save Brainard.
 
Well, it seems that driving on the apron WILL be allowed. My reason for the question is that I believe the "track length" was measured using the banked oval with a nominal distance - like 10 feet from the bottom line. So I thought racing on the apron was clearly short-cutting the course.. However, the intent of the officials is to allow driving on the apron. So there it is... How much more could one short the circuit by driving in the grass on the INSIDE of the apron and not be called for "Short-cutting" or "driving off the course"?? Hmmm - what is the pit-lane speed limit ( I didn't see one in the Sup Regs but it might be in the GCR) - That might be a way to shorten the last lap and get to the timing line first.... ??? Just Saying that it can all happen... Joel
 
Don't get too excited about the apron... the Stewards haven't made a firm decision on it yet. I just sent some data from our race week before last including Jim's comment about the FV driver. Personally, I suggested to them that running the apron wouldn't be a big deal either from a competition or safety standpoint. There just aren't that many cars in SCCA, HP included, that could really stay down on the apron anyway. Jay can comment better than I but I wouldn't want to run a front wheel drive car down there. Front tire wear would be fierce.

Bob
 
JohnMcNaughton":2aes6svm said:
I am curious.
What are the 5 longest straights on U.S. road courses, including the rovals?
And, how long are they?

I think Daytona, Road America ( does that include the carousel? ), possibly Road Atlanta, maybe TWS, Homestead, the current Indy layout. VIR has 2 long straights. I don't have the distance for any of them.
Daytona has 3 long straights, exiting the east horse shoe, before and after the bus stop.
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I can't find a published length for TWS front straight, but I used Google Earth to measure the distance from where I mash the gas to where I brake, and it's roughly 3,000ft.
Sebring's back straight is about 3300ft as well.
 
I raced HP at the double SARRC and another HP car that was well behind me ran the apron and it definitely improved his lap times. I think SCCA should rule running the apron illegal. Transitioning from the apron to the bank can be treacherous but that is exactly what someone is going to do if they want to make a pass since there is no room to pass on the apron.
 
No Apron at the Runoffs.

Supps have been revised with a number of critical items, including:

o Camping, Garage, Paddock space cancellation policy with critical dates relating to refunds. (1.7)
o Test day cancellation policy with critical dates relating to refunds. (1.7)
o Registration location and late arrival instructions. (3.1, 4.1)
o Clarification of on-track session start and finish times (5.2)
o Interaction with other classes during qualifying (5.2)
o Waiver of sound control for the event (5.4)
o Hardship lap procedure (5.10)
o Medical evaluation for drivers involved in contact (5.11)
o Bump drafting policy (5.13)
o Passing on the oval and course limits regarding the apron (5.14)
o Test day vehicle stickers (9.5)
o Operating frequencies (9.6)
o Fuel availability/hours (9.12)
o Driver advisor availability (12.2)
o Medical, Fire and Security hours and contact information (14.4, 14.5)
o Communication through e-mail and SMS messaging (15.3)
o Access of facility until 11 p.m. Sunday, Sept. 27, 2015 (16.3)

Revised supps posted here: at the Runoffs event page www.scca.com/runoffs
 
in regards to 9.12 in the supps, if we have been running fuel that passes all the required tests are we not allowed to use it? Or we must use the sunoco fuel from the track? If the sunoco fuel must be used can we acquire it elsewhere?
 
I would recoment you use the track fuel and flush your system well. Even if you think you are using the same fuel.
 
The fuel sold at the Runoffs will have an ISO tag in it that they will be testing for so you need to buy your fuel at the track.
 
5.13 Bump Drafting: All on track body contact (including contact during drafting) that causes a car to act erratically and res
ults in a change in position or a car leaving the course will be investigated. Offenders can expect
harsh penalties, which may be enforced either during or after the session.

So I dont need my heavy duty Runoffs bumpers? :|

So does anyone think that passage will eliminated it in SM? Granted our fields are not that big, but how can they possibly cover every instance? "Oh that car passed someone, he must have been bumped, black flag". :roll:

Isn't this the one place everyone expected it to be part of the racing?
 
anviltester":1vsuvdp3 said:
in regards to 9.12 in the supps, if we have been running fuel that passes all the required tests are we not allowed to use it? Or we must use the sunoco fuel from the track? If the sunoco fuel must be used can we acquire it elsewhere?
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Runoffs fuel only. Even if you bought your fuel at Daytona last month it would not be the Runoffs legal fuel.
 
Jason@SportsCar":284ofbov said:
5.13 Bump Drafting: All on track body contact (including contact during drafting) that causes a car to act erratically and res
ults in a change in position or a car leaving the course will be investigated. Offenders can expect
harsh penalties, which may be enforced either during or after the session.

So I dont need my heavy duty Runoffs bumpers? :|

So does anyone think that passage will eliminated it in SM? Granted our fields are not that big, but how can they possibly cover every instance? "Oh that car passed someone, he must have been bumped, black flag". :roll:

Isn't this the one place everyone expected it to be part of the racing?
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Jason-
Re-read the rule. I'll break it up a little more for you to help understand the intent.

This is what's going to be investigated: All on track body contact (including contact during drafting) that causes:
- a car to act erratically and results in a change in position
-----OR-----
- a car leaving the course

The intent here is to permit bump drafting, but still prohibit contact that upsets another car or moves it off track.
 
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