SCCA Announces 2013 U.S. Majors Tour Schedule At PRI
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Scott Sanda
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Dayle, i don't know why they did not.
Also, there is no cross conference point sharing. They were very specific on this.
If you are from west bunghole and run a major out of your conference, you are automatically scored in that conf. Technically, if I did cota, Sebring, sprints I would be scored in 3 different conferences, with no cross point posting, BUT, all those points will count (this year) to my national points total.
Also, there is no cross conference point sharing. They were very specific on this.
If you are from west bunghole and run a major out of your conference, you are automatically scored in that conf. Technically, if I did cota, Sebring, sprints I would be scored in 3 different conferences, with no cross point posting, BUT, all those points will count (this year) to my national points total.
Dayle Frame
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Also note that half (three of six) of the BFG Super Tour events are in the Eastern Conference. Anybody else feel cheated?
Dayle
Dayle
Dayle Frame
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Scott Sanda said:
Scott,
I gotta believe that once CenDiv drivers see what BVR and MIL are doing, they'll apply pressure and we'll see an event at BHF or at RA (The cat Nat). Maybe I'm a wide eyed optimist but I just don't see this being the final Northern Conference majors schedule. If I'm a driver from CenDiv and I was forced by these two regions to schlep a lot more miles, I'd be on the phone right now. You guys just voted in a new Director so maybe Bruce can move things along.
Dayle
Nationally, it looks pretty darn weak. It's almost as if they had problems getting dates/weekends into the program.
Personally, this looks EASIER than the MARRS series was last year. VIR, SP, WG and NJMP. gets the 8 races, and we would be going there anyway in the MARRS series.
Personally, this looks EASIER than the MARRS series was last year. VIR, SP, WG and NJMP. gets the 8 races, and we would be going there anyway in the MARRS series.
Larry Frankenstein
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Scott Sanda said:
This Majors thing just gets more complicated as I hear more about it. Am I missing something here? Doesn’t “no cross conference point sharing” go against “logic”? It keeps drivers from attending more races, bad for the regions and the tracks. And it seemingly makes it more difficult for drivers to qualify for the Runoffs. Of course, qualifying for the Runoffs is a double-edged sword. Too many drivers (presumably some not experienced enough) is a bad thing. But not enough drivers is also a bad thing. Both situations diminish the prestige of the event..
My “plan” (OK, hope) has been to use the June Sprints to get RA track time in prep for the Runoffs and maybe (OK big maybe) pick up some out of division points. Now, not so much. The long arse tow (and $$, etc. it takes) is now not as useful. End result – I don’t get RA experience (possibly bad for me and others), the region and RA don’t get my $$. Same would apply for COTA if Runoffs end up there. Lose, lose, lose.
Why not use the system where you can include points from one (just one) out of area/division/conference race?
This reminds me of what is usually referred to as Ockham's Razor, or KISS.
Larry
How many times are we going to be told it will all be revealed on a certain date and then the announcement just adds more questions/confusion. I have been witholding comment until now waiting for some final facts that will clear everyting up. What a bunch of BS!! Somebodyhas their head so far up their butt they may never see daylight again in my lifetime :roll:
I think that pretty much leaves me out too. Already was going to tougher financially. Kyle, yep makes sence@#$ Same weekend I'm 3 hours to Mid-O or 10 hours to NJ. Which would you choose? 'O' wait Mid-O is out of conferance so no points. I already voiced my opinion about out of conferance points to Butch, John and Dick at the mini-con. Guess I should have saved my breath. :boohoo:
Matt Blehm
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Rough math says it's going to cost me about $15k to make all 5 in-conference races. That's not counting anything on the race car itself.
For a lowly salaried engineer that has a family to support, that's stupidsauce. not going to spend that much of my salary and all of my vacation time in the cab of my truck.
For a lowly salaried engineer that has a family to support, that's stupidsauce. not going to spend that much of my salary and all of my vacation time in the cab of my truck.
doretyjohn
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Hey guys, I am not a frequent poster but I am RE for the Texas Region. You will note that for Southwest Division there is only one Majors race, the COTA RACE IN MARCH.
Inc. is calling all shots, they only want COTA RACE BECUASE RACERS WILL GO TO IT BECAUSE IT IS NEW AND EXCITING . SO, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CHASTING ANY REGION AS THIS IS TOPEKA DECISIONS . IT APPEARS FOR THE SOUTHWEST DIVISION BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY POOR REGIONAL SERIES, WE WILL NO LONGER EVEN HAVE A NATIONAL EVENTS TO ATTEND . THE SOLE PURPOSE
OF MAJORS IS TO MONETIZE THE RUNOFFS IN ORDER TO PAY SALARIES. I WISH THEM LUCK, AS THEY NO LONGER SPEAK TO ME
Inc. is calling all shots, they only want COTA RACE BECUASE RACERS WILL GO TO IT BECAUSE IT IS NEW AND EXCITING . SO, PLEASE REFRAIN FROM CHASTING ANY REGION AS THIS IS TOPEKA DECISIONS . IT APPEARS FOR THE SOUTHWEST DIVISION BECAUSE WE HAVE A VERY POOR REGIONAL SERIES, WE WILL NO LONGER EVEN HAVE A NATIONAL EVENTS TO ATTEND . THE SOLE PURPOSE
OF MAJORS IS TO MONETIZE THE RUNOFFS IN ORDER TO PAY SALARIES. I WISH THEM LUCK, AS THEY NO LONGER SPEAK TO ME
doretyjohn
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Ps
Inc. will tell everyone how successfully the COTA race will be, how grand a job they did, etc. truth is that lone star region does notmeven want or need them. Lone star is being nice to them allowing them to call it a majors.
Inc. will tell everyone how successfully the COTA race will be, how grand a job they did, etc. truth is that lone star region does notmeven want or need them. Lone star is being nice to them allowing them to call it a majors.
JohnMcNaughton
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I have been quietly reading in the background on this program. And have read the other thread with Tony Creighton's Mazda Racers comments. Thank you Tony, at least now we have a general idea of what the rules are. I appreciate your efforts. And, I welcome any efforts to restore Club Racing and the pursuit of a National Championship.
With the schedule listed for the Eastern Conference, all racing will be completed in July. Fifty percent of the races will be in a 30 day period, with significant travel time and distances and time commitment required.
I would like to quietly say.....THIS IS NUTS!!!!!!!
How can a working club racer (and parent) get enough time off in May to effectively compete and regroup, or cover the significant increases in travel expenses incurred??? That is almost a Pro Racing travel schedule, for Club Racers?
My perspective is from having raced in both the Southeast Div and the Southwst Div. I see the other areas have the same concerns.
Eastern Conference
January 4-6 Sebring International Raceway*
April 19-21 VIRginia International Raceway*
May 3-5 Summit Point Motorsports Park
May 17-19 Road Atlanta
May 31-June 2 New Jersey Motorsports Park
July 5-7 Watkins Glen International*
With the schedule listed for the Eastern Conference, all racing will be completed in July. Fifty percent of the races will be in a 30 day period, with significant travel time and distances and time commitment required.
I would like to quietly say.....THIS IS NUTS!!!!!!!
How can a working club racer (and parent) get enough time off in May to effectively compete and regroup, or cover the significant increases in travel expenses incurred??? That is almost a Pro Racing travel schedule, for Club Racers?
My perspective is from having raced in both the Southeast Div and the Southwst Div. I see the other areas have the same concerns.
Eastern Conference
January 4-6 Sebring International Raceway*
April 19-21 VIRginia International Raceway*
May 3-5 Summit Point Motorsports Park
May 17-19 Road Atlanta
May 31-June 2 New Jersey Motorsports Park
July 5-7 Watkins Glen International*
Protech Racing
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I was also hoping for less differential of Regional/national and a more open Runoffs .
The BOD guy that I know, tells me that we need more "Commitment". That I see as cash. Not good for me, as a parent, car owner etc.
What is the" start 3 races" deal?? it should be finish 3 races. Again, just another way of taking the biggest wallets to the runoffs , not the best drivers/cars.
The BOD guy that I know, tells me that we need more "Commitment". That I see as cash. Not good for me, as a parent, car owner etc.
What is the" start 3 races" deal?? it should be finish 3 races. Again, just another way of taking the biggest wallets to the runoffs , not the best drivers/cars.
doretyjohn said:
What wait, SowDiv has a regional program. I know there are some regional events after the runons/before the new rules year but I thought they were just test and tune sessions for the early years double nationals.
AND, BTW it is the last National/Major/Super circle jerk for Lone Star. I'm thinking about Lone Star regional series maybe with a bronze cow chip for the winners in each class.
It was actually me that posted the info on the Mazda Forum. I did it because there was some errors in a post made earlier. As I currently understand the 2013 plan and the plan to come in 2014 here it is. I think we all need to give it a look and see what will fit for you. I do hope everyone can find a plan that will enable them to attend the 2013 Runoffs. It is going to be special and everyone should plan to attend.
In 2013, there will be a Majors program in each of the 4 zones, Drivers will be able to accure points in their own zone or any other zone in which they compete. However, they will not be able to bring points from one zone to another. So, if a driver from Atlanta in the East Zone runs the June Sprints, he will get points in the North Zone but will not be able to bring those points back to the East Zone. A driver will need to enter three Majors weekends to be eligible for the Runoffs and none of the Majors races need to be in his home Zone. The Zone Championships will be determined by Zone races only.
In 2013, there will still be National and regional races in all 9 Divisions. Drivers finishing in the top three in their class in their Division will be eligible to enter the Runoffs. However, the Majors races will be counted as Majors points, 22 for a win, 19 for a second, etc while a win a non Majors race will only count 12 points. You will still be able to count 3 Out of Division races and 7 races. So, it stands to reason that most of the top three will be those who run Majors. You will need four finishes.
There will still be a Nationwide points and everyone in the top 1/2 of points will be eligible to enter the Runoffs. Zero points are counted for total drivers entered in each class. Those entering Majors races will get Majors points and the other will be at 12 for first, etc. The big change is there will be no bonus points in 2013. So, a win at a race with 2 cars counts the same as one at a race with 20 cars.
Finally, past Runoffs Champions will be able to enter as long as they have a current license. I haven't seen the number of years back, but it will be at least 5 or maybe all of them.
Now, for 2014, national and regional race designation goes away. There will be a Majors series for each zone. The other races will be races. HOWEVER, the Divisional Championships do NOT go away. Each Division is going to be able to come up with a Division race program that will be a path to the Runoffs.
We, the SEDiv, are currently working on the program and it will be a fairly neat one. I'd rather not announce anything yet, but we will have a special meeting for the racing regions of SEDiv at Jekyll Island and after that, will announce the Division plans. I can pretty much tell you we will most likely run races similar to the Rationals where drivers can get either National points or SARRC points. And I'm fairly certain we will agree that drivers can either get SARRC points or National points but not both. This will insure the integrity of the SARRC series. The races for the Divisional title will not be the Majors races. Points will be similar to SARRC where we give points for 20 positions. And if we can get the details worked out with some other Divisions, we will allow out of Division races. We will have a decent trophy fund that will allow us to award class winners with some good awards, even better than the current jackets, t- shirts, plaques, hats, decals, patches, gear bag and free award banquet tickets. Our goal is allow drivers an alternate path to the Runoffs.
While the Majors is going to bring bigger more competitive fields, we still understand on the Division level that not every driver has the budget or the time to make several long tows a year. Our goal is to have the best Majors races with our tracks like Sebring, Road Atlanta & VIR in SEDiv and Watkins Glen New Jersey and Summit Point in the NEDiv and to also have good, strong local races at tracks such as Roebling Road, Barber Motorsports Park, Carolina Motorsports Park, Daytona International Speedway, Charlotte Motor Speedway, Miami Homestead Speedway, Palm Beach International Raceway, Lime Rock, Pittsburg International, Pocono, New Hampshire and Nelsons.
So, in exactly 5 weeks, we hope to see all of you at Sebring for the double Majors and then down at Palm Beach the next weekend for the double Rational. Sebring counts as a Majors event ( one the three you need if you go majors) and all four races can be used as three of your out of division races in Division points or all four for SEDiv National points.
Looks to me like we are in for a lot of fun this year. And everyone should have already made hotel reservations for the Runoffs. Being the 50th anniversary, it should be the biggest Runoffs in history. See you there.
In 2013, there will be a Majors program in each of the 4 zones, Drivers will be able to accure points in their own zone or any other zone in which they compete. However, they will not be able to bring points from one zone to another. So, if a driver from Atlanta in the East Zone runs the June Sprints, he will get points in the North Zone but will not be able to bring those points back to the East Zone. A driver will need to enter three Majors weekends to be eligible for the Runoffs and none of the Majors races need to be in his home Zone. The Zone Championships will be determined by Zone races only.
In 2013, there will still be National and regional races in all 9 Divisions. Drivers finishing in the top three in their class in their Division will be eligible to enter the Runoffs. However, the Majors races will be counted as Majors points, 22 for a win, 19 for a second, etc while a win a non Majors race will only count 12 points. You will still be able to count 3 Out of Division races and 7 races. So, it stands to reason that most of the top three will be those who run Majors. You will need four finishes.
There will still be a Nationwide points and everyone in the top 1/2 of points will be eligible to enter the Runoffs. Zero points are counted for total drivers entered in each class. Those entering Majors races will get Majors points and the other will be at 12 for first, etc. The big change is there will be no bonus points in 2013. So, a win at a race with 2 cars counts the same as one at a race with 20 cars.
Finally, past Runoffs Champions will be able to enter as long as they have a current license. I haven't seen the number of years back, but it will be at least 5 or maybe all of them.
Now, for 2014, national and regional race designation goes away. There will be a Majors series for each zone. The other races will be races. HOWEVER, the Divisional Championships do NOT go away. Each Division is going to be able to come up with a Division race program that will be a path to the Runoffs.
We, the SEDiv, are currently working on the program and it will be a fairly neat one. I'd rather not announce anything yet, but we will have a special meeting for the racing regions of SEDiv at Jekyll Island and after that, will announce the Division plans. I can pretty much tell you we will most likely run races similar to the Rationals where drivers can get either National points or SARRC points. And I'm fairly certain we will agree that drivers can either get SARRC points or National points but not both. This will insure the integrity of the SARRC series. The races for the Divisional title will not be the Majors races. Points will be similar to SARRC where we give points for 20 positions. And if we can get the details worked out with some other Divisions, we will allow out of Division races. We will have a decent trophy fund that will allow us to award class winners with some good awards, even better than the current jackets, t- shirts, plaques, hats, decals, patches, gear bag and free award banquet tickets. Our goal is allow drivers an alternate path to the Runoffs.
While the Majors is going to bring bigger more competitive fields, we still understand on the Division level that not every driver has the budget or the time to make several long tows a year. Our goal is to have the best Majors races with our tracks like Sebring, Road Atlanta & VIR in SEDiv and Watkins Glen New Jersey and Summit Point in the NEDiv and to also have good, strong local races at tracks such as Roebling Road, Barber Motorsports Park, Carolina Motorsports Park, Daytona International Speedway, Charlotte Motor Speedway, Miami Homestead Speedway, Palm Beach International Raceway, Lime Rock, Pittsburg International, Pocono, New Hampshire and Nelsons.
So, in exactly 5 weeks, we hope to see all of you at Sebring for the double Majors and then down at Palm Beach the next weekend for the double Rational. Sebring counts as a Majors event ( one the three you need if you go majors) and all four races can be used as three of your out of division races in Division points or all four for SEDiv National points.
Looks to me like we are in for a lot of fun this year. And everyone should have already made hotel reservations for the Runoffs. Being the 50th anniversary, it should be the biggest Runoffs in history. See you there.
Curtis
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FP Racer said:
Jim, Sincerely, thank you for trying to explain the unexplainable, 5 weeks before the season starts. It is somebody or somebodies job other than yours, but they obviously are not doing it. Again thanks for trying.
Still this makes no sense to me.
If it was the same as last year it would not be "top half of points" It would be top half of points for the prior year, that threshold would have been published by now, and we'd all know what had to be earned in 2013.
If not done vs. a 2012 baseline then when will the required points actually be tallied and posted? (After all there are Nationals just 3 weeks before the runoffs) and how can you ever compete against double points Majors drivers for 2013 points at regular National events?
If it is done vs. a 2012 deadline, but no extra points for beating another car in class are earnable in 2013, then it could be quite a feat to beat that 12 half baseline in 13, without the extra points given in 12.
I am still excited about the changes based on what I know but FEMA could have provided all this clarification to us weeks ago had we elected them our BOD :roll:
Curtis said:
Ouch.. worse than FEMA? that *IS* a low blow. Would have been nicer to insult their mothers.
The change in points awarding is going to make any comparison to last year near impossible. The only way to do it would be to go back and recalculate the 2012 results with 2013 points schedule. I am guessing the though is to go with a much easier tally of national points after last national. Cutting it VERY fine, but I guess like it would have been in the old days, going into the last race still trying to finish in the top 3.
JessePrather
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I would think that it's going to be very easy to make it to the runoffs via half points from last year. I'm sure they'll use the points from last year as always. With even a couple of double points races in plus maybe a regular national in your area it will be super easy to qualify for the runoffs in 2013. Then in 2014 it will be the same with double points using 2013 as the standard. In 2014 all majors tour races, aka the old national, will be double points.
I'm definitely looking forward to having some great races with 10 plus cars in my class.
I'm definitely looking forward to having some great races with 10 plus cars in my class.
Curtis
Well-known member
Jesse,
I had happily assumed it would be exactly as you surmise prior to reading Jim's post. Truth be known I'm not that worried about it. I guess my real point is that the club undoubtedly knows, so why don't they just go ahead and tell us? Why should we have to guess? The whole majors thing, which again I am excited about, and any other changes and effects on other programs, should have been released in its entirety 3 months ago at the runoffs.
I had happily assumed it would be exactly as you surmise prior to reading Jim's post. Truth be known I'm not that worried about it. I guess my real point is that the club undoubtedly knows, so why don't they just go ahead and tell us? Why should we have to guess? The whole majors thing, which again I am excited about, and any other changes and effects on other programs, should have been released in its entirety 3 months ago at the runoffs.