Upcoming runoffs location(s)?
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The 2017 location was supposed to be announced at the SCCA convention in February, but I think that they still are in negotiations with tracks to hold the 2017 run-offs.
Miller MotorSports Park (or what ever it's being called now)
Pacific Raceways
Ridge
Portland
Sears Point
Laguna Seca (Not likely, due to the paddock situation in 2014)
Fontana
Indy was mentioned, since this would be a one off since there was supposed to be a rotation.
Miller MotorSports Park (or what ever it's being called now)
Pacific Raceways
Ridge
Portland
Sears Point
Laguna Seca (Not likely, due to the paddock situation in 2014)
Fontana
Indy was mentioned, since this would be a one off since there was supposed to be a rotation.
Dayle Frame
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At the F&C worker toast yesterday, the BoD chair said an announcement was coming in mid October and it would confirm "the worst held secret in SCCA". I can only assume that means Indy. But I guess we'll have to wait and see.
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Aaron Johnson
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of course it will be indy. why wouldn't it be. afterall, i won't be here and it would make sense that for a race in my own back yard i will spend more money than if i'd have gone to california!
Curtis
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I ran Indy with SVRA. Sense of history was incredible but track configuration was terrible. Not Runoffs worthy at all. Hopefully SCCA will negotiate for the full F1 course or at least something different than we had that weekend. If anybody from SCCA wants feedback please call me. I can send a list of Runoffs regulars and past Champions who have raced there.
in fairness to the club, I was the one that pushed for moving the runoffs every year and the 3 year rotation to the west coast. however in this case I did agree that if they could get indy for 2017 then it would be worth it for the west coast to wait another year. im not on the board anymore so don't know exactly what's going on but I would hope they would stick to the agreement.
for what its worth I felt indy should have been the 2016 target but that's another story.
I too have heard not very good reviews of the indy road course but I think just the tradition and magic of the place makes it worthwhile probably. similar to Daytona was. Daytona not the greatest layout but definitely bucketlist for a lot of us.
as far as west coast tracks, the call for runoffs tracks is supposed to be iconic venues. that pretty much leaves Laguna and Sonoma and I hear sonoma is not interested in giving up 9-10 days because they're fully booked every year. after those two I think you go to best facility available and IMO Miller is the choice. I know people put it down but if you chose the right config it is a good mix of speed and handling and it is more central located. the paddock is one of best (most spacious) in the country.
but im out of the game and will wait to hear like the rest.....
for what its worth I felt indy should have been the 2016 target but that's another story.
I too have heard not very good reviews of the indy road course but I think just the tradition and magic of the place makes it worthwhile probably. similar to Daytona was. Daytona not the greatest layout but definitely bucketlist for a lot of us.
as far as west coast tracks, the call for runoffs tracks is supposed to be iconic venues. that pretty much leaves Laguna and Sonoma and I hear sonoma is not interested in giving up 9-10 days because they're fully booked every year. after those two I think you go to best facility available and IMO Miller is the choice. I know people put it down but if you chose the right config it is a good mix of speed and handling and it is more central located. the paddock is one of best (most spacious) in the country.
but im out of the game and will wait to hear like the rest.....
Todd Benne
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In regards to what Mike said pertaining to Indy, we ran there for the inaugural SVRA event in 2014 in Grp11 TA2, modern Trans Am Series Jaguar XKR, sister car to Mike's pegzlist.com Jaguar. The config is not best suited to the big cars like we run. Lots of low gear lug your way around type corners. Then, for any class, T1 is a funnel effect that if guys don't pay attention, can really create mayhem at entry. A small open wheel car or prod car would be best for the current track design. Gear for 200mph on the front straight, well maybe not you Prod guys 
Now, having said such, it is a bucket list venue. The history and just being there is quite the experience. We rented a F1 garage. Keep in mind if you do so as well, the PA system is not loud enough that you can hear any announcements down in the garages. We almost missed a couple of our session because of this.
If you get the chance to go, do it. It's a once in a lifetime experience. Eat at Charlie Browns Steak and Eggs, Ted Turner's Bison restaurant, the Palomino and others.
Ok, back to lurking...
Now, having said such, it is a bucket list venue. The history and just being there is quite the experience. We rented a F1 garage. Keep in mind if you do so as well, the PA system is not loud enough that you can hear any announcements down in the garages. We almost missed a couple of our session because of this.
If you get the chance to go, do it. It's a once in a lifetime experience. Eat at Charlie Browns Steak and Eggs, Ted Turner's Bison restaurant, the Palomino and others.
Ok, back to lurking...
Gordon Jones
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According to my source: MO,INDY,SEARS POINT.
Gordon Jones
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Tim, That's what I understood. nothing is written in stone.
Indy presents an interesting scenario.
I attended a first ever PCA advanced DE there in August.They did a wonderful job with the event and like many of us I never dreamed in my life time that I would ever have IMS on my resume of tracks that I've been on . It was kind of like if you are a golfer playing golf at Augusta National.
My sentiments regarding the track configuration are mixed as we did not use the original F1 layout...in other words we didn't come out between turns 1 &2 hauling the mail. Some thought the configuration we used was kind of dinky...but hey it was still Indy and we still crossed (and kissed) the "bricks".
Hopefully our folks in Topeka will truly do their homework before signing on the dotted line and here are some reasons why;
1) At the PCA event there was no overnight paddocking allowed.Where do you send workers, crew ,family and drivers at the end of the day?
2) No motorized vehicles of any kind allowed in the paddock. There was a lot of walking(which is ok) but not while trying to procure tires,gas and anything else needed.
3)There was no compressed air in the garages.
4)Very strict traffic patterns within the paddock. Lots of one way stuff...and you had better obey.
5) Probably some other stuff I've forgotten.
They have had some large SVRA events and perhaps they have previously relaxed some of these rules and have provided some additional amenities. Anybody know how the SVRA accommodated.
Let me say we were not treated badly. Its just" their sandbox their rules."
One of the things that is appealing is the fact that very few SCCA'ers will have local knowledge of the track making for a more "level playing field" for most .
Anyone with their own thoughts or knowledge please chime in.
regards
Tom burdge
I attended a first ever PCA advanced DE there in August.They did a wonderful job with the event and like many of us I never dreamed in my life time that I would ever have IMS on my resume of tracks that I've been on . It was kind of like if you are a golfer playing golf at Augusta National.
My sentiments regarding the track configuration are mixed as we did not use the original F1 layout...in other words we didn't come out between turns 1 &2 hauling the mail. Some thought the configuration we used was kind of dinky...but hey it was still Indy and we still crossed (and kissed) the "bricks".
Hopefully our folks in Topeka will truly do their homework before signing on the dotted line and here are some reasons why;
1) At the PCA event there was no overnight paddocking allowed.Where do you send workers, crew ,family and drivers at the end of the day?
2) No motorized vehicles of any kind allowed in the paddock. There was a lot of walking(which is ok) but not while trying to procure tires,gas and anything else needed.
3)There was no compressed air in the garages.
4)Very strict traffic patterns within the paddock. Lots of one way stuff...and you had better obey.
5) Probably some other stuff I've forgotten.
They have had some large SVRA events and perhaps they have previously relaxed some of these rules and have provided some additional amenities. Anybody know how the SVRA accommodated.
Let me say we were not treated badly. Its just" their sandbox their rules."
One of the things that is appealing is the fact that very few SCCA'ers will have local knowledge of the track making for a more "level playing field" for most .
Anyone with their own thoughts or knowledge please chime in.
regards
Tom burdge
Todd Benne
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To piggy back on what Tom just explained, keep in mind my experience was with the SVRA in 2104.
We rented a F1 garage as I stated previously. I don't recall the garage number, but it was a handful up from garage #1. #1 garage is just past the area of pit out for the Indy oval. We were up from that, straight across from the entrance into Gasoline Alley garages at that particular end.
The F1 garages are large enough to accommodate 3-4 cars depending on what cars. We had a Trans Am Jag and three Prod cars set up and still had plenty of room. However, the F1 garages provide no air hook up, no running water except for a small hand sink and limited electric. The garage is plumbed and wired for European stuff. The tv brackets and coax still hang, albeit empty, from the ceilings. Front door and back door to the garages. Front doo faces out to Gasoline Alley area, back door faces Indy oval pit road. Good breeze if it gets warm. Can be noisy though with cars blasting past just outside the door on the front straight.
The Gasoline Alley garages, while considerably smaller, did have electric and air. Not sure if those would be available for rental at the Run-offs.
Traffic is one way through the paddock. You will line up for false grid in Gasoline alley and enter between the oval pit road grandstands gap, make a hard right down pit road to enter the track at what is oval pit entrance.
We were required to park our hauler in the large area behind Gasoline Alley. It is a hike bag to the garages. Others paddocked down the infield area behind the front straight grandstands. Plenty of space, SVRA had 750 cars. Some grass, some asphalt.
We ran the configuration whereby you enter the front straight at oval pit out more or less and blast down to T1. The twisty bits prior to that are slower in a big car like our Jag.
The folks at Indy are friendly and very helpful. Just obey the rules and traffic patterns they establish.
For SVRA, VP Fuels was setup all the way down by oval T4 at the end of the grandstands. Have a golf cart, four wheeler, pit tugger etc to carry your fuels jugs back...it's a long walk.
Overall the experience was great. Just have you logistics planned out in advance. No different than any other large scale event. And as Tom expressed, remember you are their guest.
We rented a F1 garage as I stated previously. I don't recall the garage number, but it was a handful up from garage #1. #1 garage is just past the area of pit out for the Indy oval. We were up from that, straight across from the entrance into Gasoline Alley garages at that particular end.
The F1 garages are large enough to accommodate 3-4 cars depending on what cars. We had a Trans Am Jag and three Prod cars set up and still had plenty of room. However, the F1 garages provide no air hook up, no running water except for a small hand sink and limited electric. The garage is plumbed and wired for European stuff. The tv brackets and coax still hang, albeit empty, from the ceilings. Front door and back door to the garages. Front doo faces out to Gasoline Alley area, back door faces Indy oval pit road. Good breeze if it gets warm. Can be noisy though with cars blasting past just outside the door on the front straight.
The Gasoline Alley garages, while considerably smaller, did have electric and air. Not sure if those would be available for rental at the Run-offs.
Traffic is one way through the paddock. You will line up for false grid in Gasoline alley and enter between the oval pit road grandstands gap, make a hard right down pit road to enter the track at what is oval pit entrance.
We were required to park our hauler in the large area behind Gasoline Alley. It is a hike bag to the garages. Others paddocked down the infield area behind the front straight grandstands. Plenty of space, SVRA had 750 cars. Some grass, some asphalt.
We ran the configuration whereby you enter the front straight at oval pit out more or less and blast down to T1. The twisty bits prior to that are slower in a big car like our Jag.
The folks at Indy are friendly and very helpful. Just obey the rules and traffic patterns they establish.
For SVRA, VP Fuels was setup all the way down by oval T4 at the end of the grandstands. Have a golf cart, four wheeler, pit tugger etc to carry your fuels jugs back...it's a long walk.
Overall the experience was great. Just have you logistics planned out in advance. No different than any other large scale event. And as Tom expressed, remember you are their guest.
Todd Benne
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Oh yeah, on load in day, haulers are parked on a gravel lot on the corner of 16th St and Polco St. Then you are escorted in a couple of rigs at a time to the tunnel and into the paddock. They do this because they halt traffic on 16th St to allow rigs to make a wide swing across all lanes to get lined up to go into the tunnel under the short shoot between oval T1 and T2. And be on time, they are strict about it. Assuming SCCA has same load in logistics.
Here some maps of the facility. We ran the Indy car configuration.
http://indymotorspeedway.com/500maps.html
Here some maps of the facility. We ran the Indy car configuration.
http://indymotorspeedway.com/500maps.html
Really hoping they don't use the SVRA layout and incorporate the turn 10,11,12 on the Moto GP layout instead. Agree with Todd that after being at the SVRA event the last two years, the high speed turn 5-6 chicane and long back stretch leave something to be desired from the track layout standpoint. The additional few turns would help in my opinion, but it's Indy and its every racers dream to drive there.