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James Rogerson

James Rogerson

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I uploaded my Q1 video from today to Utube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Sre7m-yCb0

Let you guys see what the track looks like since we'll probably run there in 2015.

My 1965 K-Code Mustang. I'm driving the Pro/Am tomorrow with Rocky Moran. He's almost as big as me, which is surprising for an ex INDY car driver. Should be fun. Met him today and we seem to be a good fit.

James -r
 
Sorry I did not realize that was your Mustang and say hi James. Lots and lots of current SCCA racers there.

This event was incredible. Historic track, museum, almost 700 cars, well run, 37 past Indy greats hanging out, awesome dinner party followed by Grand Funk Railroad concert followed by first class fireworks show.

While I do not think the track itself is RunOffs quality (neither is Daytona IMHO) the facilities and paddock would work. There are a couple of encouraging signs that we could have the RunOffs there if the SCCA is trying?. First, word on the street was that the Speedway was ok with this first attempt at a big amateur event and that SVRA secured a 3 year contract to do it again and again. Secondly SVRA was able to put this all together despite being burdened with the cost of professional staff, dinners, concerts, fireworks, ect at an entry fee price point that, while expensive, was less than the entry fee for this years RunOffs.
 
Nice looking 'Stang and I love grabber blue. I noticed the shimmy's and body roll, stock springs?
 
Yep, it's 1965 springs. The "K" code ones were a little heavier, but not much. I'm going to go ahead and stiffen the car up since it looks like I'm going to keep it for a while. Another car that just won't sell. :?

The problem with my car is it's stock. The video up above is from inside a car with a very built motor and a jerico (at least). I'm running to stock top loader, clutch, and differential. 3.50 gears. I do have a built 302 in it instead of the numbers matching 289 sitting on the pallet at the shop. My car makes just under 400 hp and torque at the wheels and these guys just drive away from me. The first thing I learned about vintage was that there is no tech and there are plenty of people willing to stretch the 1972 rule book.

James -r
 
550Hp is needed to be top half of that group. The 7in disc and Jerico(t101A) are standard. BA brakes help some also. The leaf springs keeps it entertaining as you go close to the expected points but not with much accuracy .
I helped with SVRA tech.. Ex cup engines are easier and cheaper to run than the stock style wet sump stuff.

I have a friend that may have a nice clone FS.
Fun cars and now that you can buy just about the entire car, good race cars.
 
James Rogerson":212d4088 said:
Yep, it's 1965 springs. The "K" code ones were a little heavier, but not much. I'm going to go ahead and stiffen the car up since it looks like I'm going to keep it for a while. Another car that just won't sell. :?

The problem with my car is it's stock. The video up above is from inside a car with a very built motor and a jerico (at least). I'm running to stock top loader, clutch, and differential. 3.50 gears. I do have a built 302 in it instead of the numbers matching 289 sitting on the pallet at the shop. My car makes just under 400 hp and torque at the wheels and these guys just drive away from me. The first thing I learned about vintage was that there is no tech and there are plenty of people willing to stretch the 1972 rule book.

James -r
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Part of the problem is people not understanding they are not racing to the 1972 or 1967 GCR, they're racing to 2014 ____ (insert vintage sanctioning body rules here). SVRA has there own set of rules that supersede the GCR, as do most of the other sanctioning bodies... with some allowing more than others.

Here are the rules for your car:
http://www.svra.com/wp-content/uploads/ ... _64-70.pdf

You can buy every part in the camera car from here:

http://www.cobraautomotive.com/catalog/ ... talog.html

As for built motors, not all 'built' motors are created equal. I know Cobra Automotive has found enough gains in their cylinder head program to change the CNC programming 5 times (and that information is a year old). They also fly up a noted NASCAR header builder and do exhaust R&D work on the dyno for days at a time (the header builder told me that), even Spintron work according to their engine guy. I have no doubt they're doing that level of testing for other components in their engines as well. Basically the engine recipe is a smaller displacement, iron headed, low rise intake, wet sump NASCAR motor.... http://www.cobraautomotive.com/catalog/engines.html lots of information here. I also couldn't even venture to guess how much they cost, but I bet they're more than an ex Cup motor since they're probably more 'one off'.

edit: fixed the video link above.
 
While it is impossible to define "legal" for any vintage group, I really enjoy watching the Texas Mustangs hustle around Hallet at Corinthian races. They are definitely closer to vintage than SVRA and a handful to drive in near original form. James's car looked great on and off the track and I thought it pretty cool just the way it was. In large part because it was the way it was.

SVRA is pretending to have rules, but only pretending. Vintage Racing just isn't about rules. It's about the cars, the show, and the experience. HSR East is totally rule less. The Mitty has evolved into a very much run what you brung type event. Even in SVRA many if not most of the front running E-types would not even be contemporary SCCA GT2 legal, or full prep Production legal, let alone anything like 1972 PCS legal. Sort of cracked me up at the COTA SVRA event last fall to see a couple of E-types with custom twin plug never in production by Jaguar heads, 6 speed modern race gearboxes, full prep suspension, monster 4 and 6 piston calipers squeezing huge vented rotors, and custom alloy bodywork recently built, running at an event where an 80s prod car might be turned away.

I am not judging as the car I had at Indy was not period correct and so bumped from Group 3 to 8. I like how relaxed and how well run the SVRA events are. It is big fun. If you are the type that gets hung up on "fair" or likes rules it's probably not for you though. Head scratcher of the weekend was Halkias showing up on R6s and being forced to buy different tires, all while racing in the same group as Huffaker, who had cantilevered race slicks on all weekend. :ask:
 
Curtis":3hx1gsvj said:
Head scratcher of the weekend was Halkias showing up on R6s and being forced to buy different tires, all while racing in the same group as Huffaker, who had cantilevered race slicks on all weekend. :ask:
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The picture of the car from the Huffaker Facebook page shows it on Hoosier Street TDS's :ask: , but they do look cantilever... interesting.

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As I said ..............................
Curtis":3e8hwkzi said:
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I like how relaxed and how well run the SVRA events are. It is big fun. If you are the type that gets hung up on "fair" or likes rules it's probably not for you though.
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For the record I don't care one way or the other and could be mistaken. It was raced on grooved bias cantilevered slicks at COTA last fall and was sitting parked on them at Indy. Seems possible those could have just been the roll around in the garage tires and it had the TDs when on track? Either way my understanding is that they have approval to use them so it's not like they are getting away with something, or doing anything underhanded. It's all above board. It's again, just vintage. Another fast SCCA driver Troy Ermish got last minute special permission to run a modern Avon race tire at COTA that no one else knew would be allowed until they got there. Ermish, like Huffaker would probably run away and hide from everybody if we made them buy and run snow tires from Walmart, so no worries :D
 
My singular point was don't try to judge performance of cars looking at video of vintage events. There is a huge range of what is allowed from group to group and many of the cars are built to the "new" standards while many are not. My HP Honda is legal now with some groups. My Mustang is the way it is because of the previous owner and the groups he ran with in Canada do not allow many modifications. Since it is a numbers matching 1965 K code car, I have left it alone for the most part.

The thing about what is legal for old TransAM and such is a far cry from the 1972 GCR. If you read any of the books by the protagonists of the era you will find that most of the factory supported cars were pretty close to tube frame cars after they were done with them.

I have two Jerico transmission sitting in the shop. I choose not to use them as I have another top loader as well. If I were to change something out it would be the numbered top loader to the general market one.

I've been on track in the open wheel group with some cars with VERY good engines. :whistle:

I'm sure that Joe Huffaker ran on the proper tire. His shifter tried to disassemble itself early on.

James -r
 
James Rogerson":3avxi9to said:
I have two Jerico transmission sitting in the shop. I choose not to use them as I have another top loader as well.
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Wanna donate one to getting my RX7 back on track? :)
 
Felton's early Stang weighed 2680. Once you use the jerico you wont go back. IMHo.
It should be a drop in or close to the TL as it is built on the same case. The one nice thing the jerico allows is left foot braking- keeping the right foot ready to squeeze power. Much better than dancing the pedals and being late on the power and howling the outer front tire.
Those cars are a hoot on the slithering old Hoosier TDs. Nice big steady drifts.
 
Mike, I have an old Winston Cup Car. I'm familiar with the Jerico and other dog boxes as I also have the Rocket Box in my 510 and then there is the FF, FB, and F2 cars.

I like the car as is because it is vintage work to drive it. I have plenty of modern cars to drive. It's good to get a reminder of just how much we had to work in the late 50's and early 60's when I began trying to go fast. I left foot, heel and toe, and just slam on the brakes in the Mustang course dependent. I always get out of the car sweating like a pig in heat and grinning.

James -r
 
James Rogerson":3s94gtf8 said:
Mike, I have an old Winston Cup Car. I'm familiar with the Jerico and other dog boxes as I also have the Rocket Box in my 510 and then there is the FF, FB, and F2 cars.

I like the car as is because it is vintage work to drive it. I have plenty of modern cars to drive. It's good to get a reminder of just how much we had to work in the late 50's and early 60's when I began trying to go fast. I left foot, heel and toe, and just slam on the brakes in the Mustang course dependent. I always get out of the car sweating like a pig in heat and grinning.

James -r
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Sounds like my 240 (well except I have less power and better tires).. You should drive it sometime. ;)
 
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