Getting the correct track width

Jay Griffin

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Or more specifically, how would you ‘properly’ measure this in a tech situation?

My reason for asking is twofold.
First, I recently discovered that I have been running my car for the past several years at a narrower track width than I thought I was. Just made some stupid simple math mistakes. And I felt pretty stupid when I realized it too. So now I am striving to run it at, or near the maximum allowed figure.

Second, since I am also running the new Hoosier radials, I need to add quite a bit more negative camber than I ever did with the bias plys.
This, depending on where and how the track is measured, could potentially make the track width measurement appear wider than what the maximum allowance is.
It’s been several years since I have seen any track width measurements at any races here in the SEDIV but the last time I had it done the inspectors used a tool that measured from the inside edge of one wheel and the outside edge of the opposite wheel. This measurement was taken at or near the bottom edge of the wheel, closest to the ground. The only thing I see wrong with that is that when I set up my car (now) I start with the distance between either hub face at the horizontal centerline. Then, knowing what my wheel offset is, add whatever spacer(s) I may need to get the track width to my desired goal.

The problem with this is, if a tech inspector were to use the above described method to measure track width, it would measure beyond the allowed maximum. The amount over would be directly related to how much negative camber the car may be running. For example if it were -2.2⁰ with 13” wheels and 20.8” tall tires (according to Hoosier) I figured the track width would come out to be roughly ½” wider than what it would measure at the height of the wheel/tire centerline.

So, what do you think? I know how I think it should be done (centerline height) but I’m just one guy and not a tech inspector (even though I have volunteered to help in the past).
 
The method is pretty clearly outlined in the GCR.

If someone was measuring at the base of the wheel closest to the ground they were doing it wrong based on the description in the GCR.

"4. MEASURING TRACK
Track is the distance between the centerlines of the wheels as raced,
without driver, measured at a horizontal plane through the wheel hub
centerline. Alternatively, it may be measured from the inside of one
wheel at the hub centerline height to the outside of the other wheel, then
conversely from the outside of the first wheel at hub centerline to the
inside of the second wheel. The 2 dimensions obtained are to be added
together and divided by 2 to obtain the average. Measurements are to
be taken at both front and rear of the wheels and averaged to compensate
for toe-in/out. Under certain circumstances it may be preferable to
measure from the outside of one wheel to the outside of another and
from this dimension deduct the thickness of one wheel. This should be
repeated 180° opposite to the first measurement and the two dimensions
averaged."
 
Jay I was worried about the exact same thing - 'til I read that part of the GCR Rob just posted.

Has to be measured at the hub height centerline. Also required to measure front of wheel vs back of wheel and average (to remove toe discrepancies).

Honestly I think it's easier to measure than do the math. I built a tool out of electrical conduit, with a sliding "L" bracket on one end, and a fixed "L" bracked on the other. Set up the tool, lock down the slider, take it off and measure.

I found I needed to add some track myself.
 
Without having an old GCR on my desk, this sounds like a revision of this definition. I thought that it had been based on the tire tread center at the ground before.
 
Well, the oldest GCR that I have at the house is 1986 but it outlines the procedure as at the wheel centerline. The wording looks slightly different but the message is the same.
 
I find it interesting that within the 2011 hard copy GCR index there is no mention of "Measurement Standard " (where track width is defined for 2011) as it was in previous year GCR's. Previous to the track width being part of the "Measurement Standard" the same wording was porvided in the GCR index under "Track - Car".

Dear CRB,

Thank You For Your Input.
 
Allof my GCR state" @ the hub level"
Hard to measure at the hubs. You have tires that stick out past the wheel rim and you are supposed to measure the wheel rim to wheel riim with zero toe. IMHO.
By far the easiest method, is to measure from edge of tire to edge of tire with zero toe.At ground level.
If you are over due to camber , mark the tire@ measurement point, roll the tire 90* and measure the change in track with plumb bob/level. Subtract this amount per side.
My interpretation only.
My car is well inside the max right now.
 
Rob":2vmevb4v said:
The method is pretty clearly outlined in the GCR.

If someone was measuring at the base of the wheel closest to the ground they were doing it wrong based on the description in the GCR.

:doh: Good Grief, it never occurred to me to look there! Thanks Rob.
 
David Dewhurst":foxt0yn9 said:
I find it interesting that within the 2011 hard copy GCR index there is no mention of "Measurement Standard " (where track width is defined for 2011) as it was in previous year GCR's. Previous to the track width being part of the "Measurement Standard" the same wording was porvided in the GCR index under "Track - Car".

Dear CRB,

Thank You For Your Input.


2012 GCR page 173.
 
Rob":34ijdm46 said:
2012 GCR page 173.

:) I understand the info is on GCR page 173. My point is that in previous years when one looked in the GCR index under Measurement, one found "Measurement Standard" which directed one to the correct page for Measuring Track width. In the 20112 GCR nothing in the GCR index directs the reader to GCR page 173. If one doesn't remember where the info is from the previous year or if the GCR location for the information changes places again without the information shown in the GCR index will be required to hunt & peck to find the information. Or maybe I have the one queer GCR which is missing the index information for Measurement Standard. :roll:
 
OK, I understand now. I didn't search that way, I entered "track" in the search on the pdf and clicked next until I got there.
 
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